Zero Carb Attracts Anorexics

Already from the start of the Zero Carb forum, there was a large number of members that were trying to recover from Eating Disorders. The proportion of ED’ers as compared to other dieters seems to have kept on increasing so now the entire board gives the impression of an “ED recovery zone.”

I can understand why Zero Carb would be attractive to people with eating disorders. It has many traits that are similar; very limited food choices, very strict rules about what is allowed and what is not, recommendations such as “eat ground beef only” for 6 months, and members who report how they easily can go 24 or even 36 hours without eating and not feeling hunger. Not to mention the natural appetite suppression that comes from a protein-only diet.

This “ED recovery zone” is headed by a newly self-appointed ED specialist. A guy that never suffered from an ED, who never was very overweight in the first place, who used to work out a lot, and who lost the vast majority of his weight on lowcarb, not zero carb.

The “ED treatment” on the board took a bizarre twist the other day. A very new member who has suffered from anorexia for years and is working on her own recovery decided that is was time to intervene with another, long time, member. What compelled her to do this, I have no idea. I know that anorexia is not the same as alcoholism, but wouldn’t the same sponsor rules apply? In AA you are not allowed to give advice to anyone before you have a substantial time of your own recovery under your belt. Makes sense to me.

So, did the moderators intervene? No. On the contrary, they were applauding this new member and supporting her. Threatening to contact the long time member’s parents, the gym she goes to, and demanding daily posts with pictures of herself and the food she eats.

Medusa has all the details.

This Zero Carb forum has always frowned upon people that have not openly disclosed their real name. The admins apparently have no problem using this information, plus full name and address given when donating to the forum, to brow beat a member into doing what they want. Scary.

I do hope any new member take precautions to keep their identity private. Who knows when you would do something that displeases the admins and they decide to come after you?

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“… not to mention the human body is only recently adapting to enzyme disgesting capabilities for veggies… ”

Really? May I ask where you found that information?

Homo habilis, which lived from 2.3 to 1.6 million years ago, had striations on their teeth consistent with eating fruit and leaves. Homo erectus, which lived from 2 million to 400,000 years ago, had pits on their teeth, consistent with eating nuts, seeds, roots and tubers. An article discussing this is here.

Do you believe that these protohumans really didn’t eat vegetable matter? Or perhaps that they ate it because they were bored or starving? It seems odd that they would waste energy and tooth enamel on eating something they couldn’t digest.

Mallory zinc is not a drug, it is a mineral. It helped me immensely. I needed to take extra for a long time, even when eating a lot of meat. And I feel far better on a mixed eating plan (meat, veggies, fat, some nuts) than I ever did on meat/fat only – and still recovered – no bingeing or purgeing here for over 4 years. It CAN be done. Just saying, in case you ever think that ZC is the ONLY way for you, that I am proof that one doesn’t have to go to such extremes.

My problem with the ZC site is no questioning or experimenting is allowed – well, not if you want to stay there anyway and feel welcome. I prefer to think for myself thanks.

If you all are sick of that ZIOH site, but still want to eat rather carnivorously, there is a really cool site here:

http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/

They seem to be into encouraging each person to experiment, and there is no group lording over others. It’s a pretty free-thinking bunch!

I stumbled upon this and Medusa’s website while trying to find ED’s success stories (I work at an ED unit).

My “voyeurism” took me to the ZC website and I was simply devastated. I am sure most of you realize that many of the people on that website have mental diseases. It’s nothing to be ashamed of, but it’s also concerning. It is very irresponsible AND dangerous to have a “support group” with no one trained to be the leader. That would be like having a depressive disorder support group with no psychologist to lead it! It could lead to disastrous consequences. I don’t know if anyone here is a member of it, but I would strongly advice anyone to LEAVE. Leave for a healthier forum. I’m sure there must be a lot out there.

Now regarding the issuse of anorexia/ZC diet: substituting one eating disorder for ANOTHER is NOT the solution. You will not find ONE SINGLE EXPERT that will tell you that eating the suggested diet is good for people with eating disorders. So… who will you follow… expert in the subject or a website?

And eating a ZC is NOT healthy. People in the website keep quoting how “XYZ” population lived only on meat, etc, etc. That’s all good but what were the life expectancies? LOW. Inuit populations, for example, even when they had their fully traditional diet, had a low life expectancy. Yes you will probably survive if you eat meat all day but you will suffer the consequences 10 years or more from now.
Longitudinal research has shown OVER AND OVER that the diet that provides the best quality of life is a vegetable-based balanced diet, with lots of fiber. And there is not ONE sinble peer-reviewed paper on the safety or benefits of a zero-carb diet. I can’t imagine what the prevalence of colon cancer and stomach cancer will be for these people in 10 years after their “ZC diet”. I can definitely see it will be very high. I can also see how there will be a lot of consequences due to the lack of the many micronutrients they lack due to their diet.

To each it its own, so if you’d rather follow anecdotal evidence and pseudo-science rather than sound research then I guess it’s a free world!

“It is very irresponsible AND dangerous to have a “support group” with no one trained to be the leader. That would be like having a depressive disorder support group with no psychologist to lead it! It could lead to disastrous consequences. I don’t know if anyone here is a member of it, but I would strongly advice anyone to LEAVE. Leave for a healthier forum. I’m sure there must be a lot out there.”

COMPLETELY agree with this.

And, yes there are other more supportive groups to belong to.

For those who still believe in eating from the animal kingdom, but, not obsessing about it, read this. I find it rather refreshing, after seeing all the abusive crap over at ZIOH. CW has no clue. No science of any kind, but, he’s bamboozled many over there. Simply sad.

http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/about1371.html

Yes, there are alternatives.

Mallory, you seem like a brave young girl battling your disease but let me tell you, you are hugely misinformed.

First of all you need to realize that doctors and therapists are not “the enemy” despite bad experiencies that you might have had, and the fact that you view them as such is a sign that your illness is still very alive and kicking. In addition, at least based on the way you look, it is also obvious that ZC is NOT helping your disease. It might “trick yourself” into thinking you’re better because you’re eating “something” but you’re obviously not eating nearly enough.

Have you ever heard of “The Blue zones”? They’re the 5 regions of the world where people live not only the longest but the most active and healthiest. And guess what? People in those regions eat plant-based diets, and little animal protein.

I do agree with you that vegetables and fruits nowadays have less nutrients than 50 years ago (you can buy organic fruits and veggies which have better nutriotional content), but so does meat. Meat content varies a lot with the feed that animals are given. Nowadays animals are made to grow fast and fat ASAP so they use feed that helps that, but not the nutritional content of meat. For e.g. organic grass-fed beef (which VERY FEW people have access to) has more omega 3, CLA and way more vitamin E, calcium, and less fat (to name a few things, but there’s lots more). So basically you’re also eating “garbage meat” when you buy meat at your regular grocery store.

Your concept that “only recently human beings can digest fruits and veggies” is sorely wrong. As someone mentioned in a previous post, our ancestors were hunter-gatherers and thus consumed meat as well as fruits and vetegables and roots. The proportion of each depended on the geographical area as well as the time of the year. But one thing is for sure and that is that human beings were never carnivores. In addition, what does the fact that our ancestors did this or that have to do with anything?!?!?!? I would like to think that we have LEARNED with time and do things better now. So even if our ancestors hadn’t eaten any fruits and veggies, it still doesn’t seem right. They also get vaccinated but I’m sure all of us here did!

Finally, eating an animal-based diet is unsustainable and TERRIBLE for the environment. Simply speaking, if everyone had a animal-based diet, our world would be way more polluted than it is now, and more people would be starving than now. Producing a gram of animal protein is a lot more taxing to the environment than producing a gram of vegetable protein.

I don’t think you’re a mom yet and maybe you’re too young to understand this but I do want to do whatever I can to make sure my children are healthy and to make sure that I leave them with a less polluted world. So I choose to eat a plant-based diet with whole grains, fruits and vegetables not only because there’s ample, irrefutable scientific evidence that is’t the best diet one can eat, but also because I do not want to leave a huge environmental footprint.

I do hope you get better and help elsewhere and not on a website with no one from the medical field, no nutritionist and whoe “idol” is a convicted felon with no knowledge of nutrition whatsoever (he’s a sound engineer or something like that for crying out loud!) who’s mostly famous for manufacturing LSD!

Ugh, Allforhealth. Please read The Vegetarian Myth if nothing else to dispel your myths on human diet. No, Mallory does not need a rabbit food diet, thank you very much. Mal, branching out will give you more experience. You can be a carnivore and add a few other things in if you want or need for YOUR recovery. We are all individuals and don’t need the ZC Police watching every move we make Heck, liver has carbs, so it’s not like you are zero (which is an ideal like veganism imho). I am a dirty carnivore myself. It’s not the diet that is bad, it is the environment at that place that is so oppressive.

Allforhealth!

ROFLMAO!!!!!

Gotta love these vegans!

You are mixing up Charles Washington (who might BE a convicted felon! Wouldn’t surprise most people.) with Bear. LOL! I think Mal’s idol is CW, not Bear.

Anyway, check out Bear’s Words of Wisdom.

http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/about63.html

IMO, this guy knows a lot more than you do on what is optimal human health.

BTW… you should educate yourself on what will really help the environment… and that is turning it back to what it once was, grazing herbivores, not growing more grains like Cargill and Monsanto are doing. They are the ones destroying the planet!

http://www.carbonfarmersofamerica.com/

Here’s another must read.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/02/280191.shtml

Please educate yourself a bit further.

Peace

Allforhealth,

The best way to help the environment would be to turn most of the land back over to grazing land for herbivores… rather than growing more grain as Cargill and Monsanto are doing. They are the ones destroying the environment in a big way.

http://www.carbonfarmersofamerica.com/

Here’s another article that sheds more light on the wonderful agricultural revolution.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/02/280191.shtml

Please educate yourself a bit more.

Peace

Actually, I’m not vegan. I’m an omnivore in excellent health who’s very conscious about eating animals. I do it both for health reasons and environmental reasons.

I wasn’t confusing Owsley Stanley with Charles Washington. I was merely pointing to the fact that their poster boy for health (“oh, look he’s been eating only meat and eggs for years and he’s super healthy”) and the one who’s considered the “founder” of the ZC movement is just a hyppie with no medical training whatsoever. But not, definitely not confusing the 2!

BTW,yeah I’m sure that he knows more about nutrition than I do. After all, while he was doing LSD I was in Med School, so what do I know!

Secondly, he had throat cancer which does not seem the “healthy image” that I have in mind.

Thirdly, it is not surprising that he has ZERO references to his claims. I can also make up a bunch of stuff and post it in a forum like it’s a fact. I would hope that people that read me would check the facts before taking my word.

Now if you do a quick search in medline, you will find the many benefits of plant-based diets. I also mentioned the diets of the people on the blue zone and all the medical research that has been done with them.

For e.g. in Forum Nutr. 2003;56:218-20, the abstract states:

“Numerous studies show important and quantifiable benefits of the different components of vegetarian diets, namely the reduction of risk for many chronic diseases and the increase in longevity. Such evidence is derived from the study of vegetarians as well as other populations. While meat intake has been related to increased risk for a variety of chronic diseases, an abundant consumption of vegetables, fruits, cereals, nuts, and legumes all have been independently related with a lower risk for several chronic degenerative diseases, such as ischemic heart disease, diabetes, obesity, and many cancers. Hence, whole foods of plant origin seem to be beneficial on their own merit for chronic disease prevention.”

You want to follow the advise of an LSD manufacturer? Then be my guest. I’d rather follow sound medical research.

Same thing with the “Vegetarian myth”. Should I follow a woman who went to her Qi Gong instructor who told her that her health problems were due to not eating meat, or should I follow science? The answer for me is clear. And as I have already said, I’m not advocating vegetarianism but a plant-based diet who has A LOT of research behind that is healthy and contributes to longevity and good health.

Now show me ONE article in a medical journal that says that a carnivore diet increased the life expectancy and health of a population.

To each its own.

If ZC is so great, then why are you still stick thin Mallory? I mean that in the nicest way – seriously, just because it isn’t working for you. Plant-based diet? Get serious, ED sufferers need zinc, not more copper to add to the problem (which is what will happen if you eat vegetarian).

I don’t think anybody is eating much of any organ meats over on the ZC forum. If for some reason I was forced to eat ZC I would definitely eat organ meats. Charles knows bugger-all about nutrition, and I can tell you that most of the vits/mins in organs are the ones that humans need that are missing from muscle meat.

Mallory knows that ZC diet will bring down insulin levels. Mallory you say that it is possible to gain weight on ZC, but really that hasn’t happened to you, and most people are losing even on high calorie counts. How on earth is that going to be conducive to recovering from anorexia? You seriously need to gain weight, and ZC isn’t providing that. That would be the bottom line if it was me. Do you never want to have children? Are you willing to sacrifice fertility for dieting?

“While meat intake has been related to increased risk for a variety of chronic diseases, an abundant consumption of vegetables, fruits, cereals, nuts, and legumes all have been independently related with a lower risk for several chronic degenerative diseases,”

Hey, Allforhealth!

I wonder. Do you buy every study, no matter who it was funded by? One example. In the UK the National Health Service conducted studies that showed many pharmaceuticals being used to treat depression were actually causing suicide rates to increase among those who were taking them. Meanwhile, in the US, studies were found that showed the opposite. The NHS was wanting to find what was working for funding reasons. Big Pharma, on the other hand, conducted (and funded) their research for the opposite reason. They wanted to increase their mega profits.

Whose interests does the USDA want to protect? Sadly, it’s multinationals like Cargill and Monsanto who want to take grazing land away from small groups all over the planet, disrupting the cultural and ecological landscape in the process. Talk about destroying the environment!

http://www.carbonfarmersofamerica.com/

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/02/280191.shtml

Please consider some other ideas.

Mallory, thanks for answering the questions some of us posted here. I looked at your blog and your story deserves to be heard/told. I think at some point you are going to need to gain some weight but reading your story and seeing how far you’ve come in your head shows that that is even more important than where the body weight needs to go. I wish you nothing but the best in your journey.

Allforhealth! wrote: “Secondly, he had throat cancer which does not seem the “healthy image” that I have in mind.”

He also had coronary artery disease and had either a coronary bypass or angioplasty (I can’t remember which).

I think there are a lot of dangerously misinformed people on the ZIOH board, not only with respect to nutrition but also psychology. Starting up that eating disorders forum with the guise of helping people and yet allowing that kind of bullying to occur shows their folly. I can’t imagine too many other people are going to want to “come out” now after seeing what happened to Katelyn.

That being said, I have nothing but admiration for Mallory. She seems to have figured out what kinds of foods trigger her dysfunctional thought patterns and by avoiding them has been able to calm her mind and put on quite a bit of weight. Yes, she is still very thin but she no longer looks anorexic, you can see her face filling out and she certainly has a healthy glow. A zero carb carnivorous diet can provide all the nutrition she needs, especially if she is eating organ meats and/or eggs.

What I admire most about Mallory is her openness in discussing her anorexia and her willingness to reach out and help other people. All without being a pompous, self-satisfied, smug know-it-all, like many of the other “helpful” people on the ZIOH board. She’s going to be fine.

Thank You all for the comments, i really appreciate it. Yes, mentally i have come a long way from where i was. i plan to blog a post from an old journal i kept soon when i get the guts to hit post. it is very disturbing to say the least but it does provide a glimpse at how far i have come. i once weighed 87 lbs and now am 118. that’s the right direction if you ask me. yes, i plan on kids one day, yes i eat livers and eggs almost every other day, no i do not think veggies or fruits are necessary, and ALLFORHEALTH, youre just annoying- please, do some research. Joseline, that’s great you dont think my recovery is anything any sort of “conventional” treatment would offer because that is my whole point. your little feeding tube pumps of metabolic wards for anorexia are bullshit to say the least and they dont work. im sure working in an ED clinic your MORE THAN aware of the relapse in anorexia, or the anorexic-turned-binger or bulimic…that won’t be me.

i never ever claimed that ZC will or does give me perfect optimal health, but its a damn site better than the health i got at 87 pounds. optimal health probably isnt in the cards for me, look at my past. i suffered horrendous anorexia from ages 18-22…it will take a damn site longer than that for me to get better. i know what works, and if my body wants to stay at this weight with the promise of a workable and livable mind/brain…then so be it

Mallory is being told to get real help because Suzanne says the board doesn’t know what to do with ED peeps. Weren’t they slobbering all over themselves telling Kate how she can fix herself with the 60 day challenge?

Mallory, I read that you are having an awful time right now. I’m sorry – I hope that you can step back, take a deep breath, and get your bearings again. A day or two of what you consider awful bad food choices doesn’t have to lead to a spiral of bad emotions or reactions. You are in charge of you. Big,warm, squeezey hugs to you!

Deker, sorry for not posting your comments from Jan 18th. The two links made them end up in the spam box and I didn’t see them until now. I just posted your last comment, as they seemed somewhat redundant (probably because they never appeared here).

Anon, you are so right with the sudden change wrt to ED’s. Perhaps they are afraid of a possible lawsuit if something goes wrong? As far as I can see there isn’t any medical disclaimer anywhere on that board.

I know nothing about ED’s so I can not advice what the best approach would be for Mallory. I wish her the best and that she can overcome the ED demons.

What went on there is disgusting. Another member jumped the ship over it and Charles really lost his cool. Need some popcorn and soda for this!

Many members who left ZIOHell are here, recovering from their experiences and banding together:
http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=404456&page=1&pp=30

“Mallory is being told to get real help because Suzanne says the board doesn’t know what to do with ED peeps. Weren’t they slobbering all over themselves telling Kate how she can fix herself with the 60 day challenge?”

You should reread the thread. The purpose of the challenge wasn’t to “fix” Katelyn. The argument, which you don’t have to agree with, was that if she had an ED she couldn’t do the challenge; if she didn’t have one she could. In other words, it was purely diagnostic and not therapeutic.

“BTW,yeah I’m sure that he knows more about nutrition than I do. After all, while he was doing LSD I was in Med School, so what do I know!” To be fair, he was arrested for *making* LSD, which implies more knowledge and intelligence than just being a user. As far as your claiming knowledge of nutrition by virtue of having attended medical school, well, enough said. It was worth a chuckle though. Owsley strikes me rather bright self-educated individual, whose done well in a variety of tasks. I’d pick him over an average MD any day of the week. Then again, I’d probably pick a magic 8-ball over most MDs.

joe

Regarding Katelyn:

What Katelyn wrote at ALC today is indicative of what the mods were concerned with when it came to influencing other members IMO. Particularly new members. Anyone think the mindset below is healthy? Never mind if it indicates an ED. But is this the mindset of a healthy individual?

“Hey, Marn, good to see you. I’m the opposite. I’m too perfectionist or rigid to ever have a binger personality. My downfall would be restriction. I am too uptight, frankly, to ever eat off whatever plan I’m on or binge because I like ‘control.’

What works for me is limits that I can work within. Having too large of a variety overwhelms me. That is why I stick to raw ground beef and one or rare cuts when I am out. I make progress when I don’t have the stress of too many choices. I cannot tell you what a relief it is to every day know what I’m eating and when. It might be boring and overly restrictive to some, but for me it is fantastically freeing and let’s me concentrate on other things. Not to mention that I’ve been my most successful when I’ve done this, instead of listen to what others have suggested by not being “me” and doing more variety, mixing things up, etc.”

@anon3: “Anyone think the mindset below is healthy? Never mind if it indicates an ED. But is this the mindset of a healthy individual?”

It’s as healthy as a bunch of people who think eating only meat and drinking water is healthy. Within that stratum (of meat/water only) there exists a natural range of flexibility/rigidity. Some eat different types of meat. Some eat one type of meat. Some eat many times a day. Some eat once per day. Some eat cooked. Some eat raw.

Preference is driven by personality. You suggest that a rigid personality is an unhealthy personality. Wow, get out much in the real world?? Rigid personality types abound; where it becomes a problem is when a rigid person attempts to control others. Sound like anybody you might know from that other forum?

Katelyn doesn’t appear to try to control anybody. She looks healthy, seems happy, is gainfully employed, and has friends. So, what’s the problem??

@Anon:”So, what’s the problem?”

Control does not have to be direct. It can be indirect control via influencing others. Constantly talking about eating only raw hamburger, only eating at one time of day, and weighing all her meals in order to limit the amount she was eating. How is that healthy?

She posted so frequently people on that forum thought she was one of the moderators according to one post I saw. She constantly replied to others about how she ate as if that was the only way to eat. If that is not trying to control someone then I don’t know what is.

Anon3, I think there’s more than one way to look at it but I can see where you’re coming from regarding Katelyn’s food posts.

As for responding to every post, most forums have some people like that. Usually they are people who are enthusiastic and like to participate, not take over.

I’m curious about why people aren’t using the names they use in other places instead of variations of anon.

@Anon3:

A light goes on! I think I get what you’re saying, and thanks for clarifying.

The mods were concerned their weak-minded forum members would be negatively influenced by the posts of ONE MEMBER, to the exclusion of all other members’ input (Charles included), and take up Kate’s way of ZCing.

You’re also saying the forum members had difficulty with reading comprehension as they were being led to believe Kate was a moderator even though every post by the Real Mods and other members made it clear this wasn’t so.

It’s a good thing they finally were able to get it all under control and save the day by discrediting her with the label Eating Disordered, beat her about the head and shoulders with that for many months, and for the grand finale imply she should be institutionalized, right before kicking her off the board.

Makes total sense to me.

I have heard it said that paying members were not banned from ZIOH. Isn’t it true, however, that some accounts were disabled, even for a few of paid supporting members?

Is this not, in essence, the same as being banned? Lack of access, not being able to log in…

Is there some creative English taking place over here?

@anon: If what you say is even remotely true then why all the concern? Intelligent people will decide to stay or go. Which makes this entire blog post totally useless and pointless.

@OYB: The anonymity makes for a good discussion as w/o it all one gets is a bunch of ad hominem attacks usually.

Prior member: the latest “rules” as given by Dana are:
“If an inactive member is a support member, they will not be deleted from membership. In case nobody noticed, we have purged over 1000 members since October! Only members who were support members were not purged for inactivity, or no journaling.

The way it is now, if they(new registrants) do not agree to a journal they cannot become a member. If they cannot become a member then how are they to become a support member?

The date of change? Late October/ November (OMG is this really important?!), the changes are still ongoing.

Why is this such an issue?! ”

I guess you made the mistake of actually posting.

I guess it means he belongs to the Kimmer school of vocabulary.

Purging doesn’t mean banning, even if the results are the same. No matter what, I’m still out the $$$.

Anon posting doesn’t prevent ad hominem attacks. It just makes it easier for snipers to hide while named people have to stand behind what they say.

I am going to reverse myself on the anonymous posting thing. It’s a personal decision. Posting anonymously here doesn’t necessarily mean someone is expecting attacks from HERE. I find regulars here to be quite reasonable except when asked to swallow contradictions.

Anon said:
“The mods were concerned their weak-minded forum members would be negatively influenced by the posts of ONE MEMBER, to the exclusion of all other members’ input (Charles included), and take up Kate’s way of ZCing.

You’re also saying the forum members had difficulty with reading comprehension as they were being led to believe Kate was a moderator even though every post by the Real Mods and other members made it clear this wasn’t so. ”

So true. I find it demeaning towards the members. Assuming that they will not be able to distinguish between a member and a “forum staff” when it’s clearly indicated under the poster’s name on every post.
Assuming that someone that, for example, needs to lose 100 pounds and is 20 years older than Katelyn would actually try to adopt the diet Katelyn follows.

@Mariosol

You have your Anons mixed up.

ZIOH was never a “pay” site, to my knowledge. There was an option for voluntary donations, but never a requirement.

Anon3, thanks. That should be Anon. I will edit it.

visitor said: “ZIOH was never a “pay” site, to my knowledge. There was an option for voluntary donations, but never a requirement.”

That is true, but the special treatment of “support members” made it seem that your donation had some value on the forum. Access to the hidden support forum, and “support member” displayed in your profile.

If the two are independent of each other, why have a special member category for people that donated?

Also, too, remember that ZIOH has maintained that Supporting Members were not banned. This is untrue since by the very nature of disabling accounts, this is the same as banning.

Here is a free Carnivore board you don’t have to pay for. Nobody ever asks for donations from the members. It’s also a pretty free thinking place from what I’ve read so far.

http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/

Nice blog, BTW.

When I wrote in my journal that I could no longer remain at that forum, Charles “unregistered” me within MINUTES, and locked my journal. It made my wonder what he was afraid of!

When I questioned him as to why I was banned without a warning, he said (among other things) that he was “only granting my wishes”! Who does he think he is, my fairy godmother?! LOL He then deleted my journal.

Disabling accounts is the same thing as banning. They just don’t use that word.

I post anonymously because I have been the victim of cyber stalking in the past. At one point, I was considering becoming a member of ZIOH but after reading for a few days I became disturbed by the behavior of the owner, the moderators and the gang of “enforcers.” I’m actually doing ZC but have no interest in joining that type of community.

I’m a nobody as far as “ad hominem” attacks are concerned, nobody there or here knows me. I do have a master’s degree in counseling psychology, an MFC licence, and have treated some people with eating disorders although that is not my area of expertise. But I can say without equivocation that ZIOH is playing with fire, ethically and perhaps even legally.

One thing is Being Carnivorous and another one is being part of that cult, ZIOH.

I suffer from ED, i am carnivorous and i absolutely hate ZIOH, they area cult; i mean have you read? many members are so smart and try explaining something and their leader just come shut them up saying “Nope, you are wrong, I’m right and stop having your own opinions cause I’m your leader” It’s insane.

As i said Carnivorism is a different thing. Since started I’m almost free from binges, i now EAT without regrets, i just worry about food when eating so I NOW CAN LIVE MY LIFE, I can enjoy friendship, family, I’m not longer upset, i haven’t got any mood swings, I ACTUALLY put some weight on (and want skinny to begin with) and It is OK for me cause I’m not bingeing, im not out of control.

After 10 years trying EVERYTHING to beat my anorexia and bulimia, ZC came and solved almost everything overnight…. Is it another Eating disorder? Maybe!!! But life is short, if it gives me freedom, improves my quality of life and gives me the time to worry about other things, so i guess it is worth it….

PS. This “ZC ED” allowed me to eat a pizza with my flatmates (btw I had already ate) yesterday, I ate mostly the meat at the top but also half of the crust and IT’S OK cause now I’m free… I’d normally go and purge and fast the following days but now it’s ok, I’ll just keep going with my carnivorism and I’m in peace with myself…. Is that too bad? Come on people Don’t be cynic

Charles and his forum are zealots. He banned me for posting criticism on my own blog/forum, called me a coward because I didn’t post there, with his moderators calling the shots. I also see that his arguments have no logic. Look at this post saying that because someone was banned (without explaining why), their ideas don’t deserve to be considered and they’re insane because they post too much and read Ray Peat. But it is fine for Charles and his followers to post frequently and read their own list of approved low-carb gurus.

http://forum.zeroinginonhealth.com/showthread.php?tid=1652&pid=66342#pid66342

It is a forum for closed-minded and hateful narcissists who care more about fitting into skinny jeans from the GAP than being healthy and well-balanced emotionally.

LOL, Ian. I loved the quote in the post you linked to:

“I can switch between sanity or insanity at will. I can even produce different types of insanity. For example, I can perform a task (like sending emails) and make my mind belief that the emails aren’t being sent – the servers won’t allow them to be sent. Just as easily, I can imagine that my email is unusable and I can only post through Matt Stone’s blog. I can create delusions & combine various delusions freely within my mind.”

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