This is so true. You really can count on 1 hand the number of people there who look like they’ve gotten to a ‘healthy’ weight. I feel so sorry for Carolina. She is at her wits end and while you can see she has gotten smaller in some areas she hasn’t seen the reduction one would expect to see in a YEARS time. Yet they just keep telling her to hang on and keep doing the same thing. How many years is she supposed to keep doing the same thing with no results?

“If Mariosol thinks my comments add no value to what it is she is trying to achieve here, I will leave, no problem with that. Just say the word and I’ll be gone”

Please don’t ask this person to leave. Anyone with an inside view is valuable for this discussion.

I’ve also stated in a previous comment ON HERE that perhaps ALL members,even including Suzanne(!) were/are victims of CW’s cult. I’m on no mission to add to the psychological/physical harm that was done to me and so many others and is still being done. Quite the opposite. I’m on a mission TO STOP THAT. So, please, read EVERYTHING I have to say and not only the bits you’d like to disagree with or would like to call-out me out as being a “drama whore”. If anyone chooses to read my comments selectively, maybe it’s better to skip my comments altogether

More on Kelly, it’s clear that no-one has read her entire journal. Some only know her CURRENT weight. That hardly gives a clear picture. I think it is terribly sad that Kelly is clearly scared to post her true menu, IMO. If only she didn’t have this fear (caused by TPTB of course) someone could reach out and help her, which is what I wish and pray for! Just like Mallory had posted pointing at that Suzanne reached out and helped her! Alas, I’m no longer a member so I can only sit on the sidelines and observe, while wearing my special glasses, what CW is doing to his followers. And I’m truly looking for positives too, but fail to see much. He only sinks his members deeper and deeper with some super powerful force. Sad and disturbing.

If Mariosol thinks my comments add no value to what it is she is trying to achieve here, I will leave, no problem with that. Just say the word and I’ll be gone

As far as viewing Charles as my guru…no. He’s done a great job of getting one stop shopping for a bunch of useful resources for carnivores of all types, and is better than credited at building a community. But, I think organ meat is important, exercise with weights, make bone stock, and take supplements. Not exactly ZIOH-standard views.

Honestly, if I had a health guru it would be you. I enjoyed reading your posts on ZIOH and found them informative; so I was bummed to see you as unregistered. I was happy to run into you on the ZC threads ALC as well. Your posts have heavily influenced me.

I just think you’re wrong about eating solely jerky for two days

joe

Also, Kelly’s cycle stopped quite a while ago, after she stopped birth control pills. It is very common for people who go off the pill to not ovulate for many months, even a couple of years. Yet all the experts at ZIOH told her it was because she was too thin. Then after gaining weight didn’t work for her, they cheered her on in getting artificial hormone treatments. When that didn’t work, they switched to “Oh no, you need to get BIOIDENTICAL hormones.” All these experts on hormones and none of them have linked her roller coaster weight to hormones.

Another thing that stands out is when they have some sort of symptom, like hair loss, they’ll say, “Oh, it’s not ZC, it’s hormones. I’ll go to the doctor and get that fixed the right way.” (meaning supplementation!) Does it not occur to them that the whole basis for ZC is the manipulation of the hormone insulin? And that insulin is considered a master hormone, that influences the production of all other hormones?

It’s like watching babies trying to figure out how to drive a car, could be funny if it weren’t so dangerous.

Agreed. Just to set the record straight, I was in no way attacking Kelly. I am CONCERNED about Kelly and I said so in my comments. I don’t think ZIOH is a healthy place for her to be at. Also keep in mind Mariasols blog post with the headline reading “Zero Carb Attracts Anorexics”. I believe that to be true.

You may have very valid concerns about her, but I just think it would be best to leave her alone here. I don’t think Mariasols has set out to out people with EDs, but to challenge the way the ZIOH site is run. Charles and ZIOH and the site’s operation are the issue.