A few months ago, Jimmy’s forum was down for a short period of time. Reportedly it was hacked.

Today (or yesterday?) it happened again and to a much more severe degree, it seems.

I received an email in my Spam box. The email appeared to have been sent by lowcarbdiscussion. It included a link that led to a virus (or actually two). It was a rather clumsy attempt though as the virus link was very obvious. Who in their right mind would click on a link with the extension “.exe”? (Well, I did. I’m nosy. My virus filter is up to date and took it.)

When I first received the email, I went to Jimmy’s blog and clicked on “forum”. Hmm. Interesting. It had been totally scrubbed and contained just two threads, or subforums. One was about cocaine users and the other one about marijuana. Needless to say, I did not sign in and quickly exited.

Jimmy has now removed the link to the forum from his blog but make sure not to use your bookmark with a direct link.

I hope Jimmy get this straightened out without too much headache for him.

The question is WHO would do such a thing to Jimmy. Could it have anything to do with his forum providing shelter for Kimkins refugees? Will Tippy be next?

PS. If anybody think they might have downloaded the virus, AVG has a free virus software. Just google it.

Edited to add: Jimmy now has a post up where he gives the details.

Singing Lass has since made some posts on FWK, in support of Kimkins. But on March 16, Singing Lass chose to create a sockpuppet on LCF, LittleSina, drawing attention to the (Warning: Do not click on the AOL link. IP tracker on the site) AOL member page that hosts Singing Lass’ old pictures and songs.

Perhaps Singing Lass wanted to show herself in a positive light, before the less flattering post would come up on AmyB’s blog. Surely Singing Lass knew of what was to come. She is a psychic after all.

As Singing Lass wants attention, let’s provide the links to other places where she has an online presence as well:

She is posting as MagicSong on the Work At Home Moms’ Psychic Reader Forum where she is a member since 07/17/2006. I don’t have the time (nor the interest) to wade through her 1000+ posts on this forum. However, I found it interesting that a year ago she “made fun” of how much more she was earning compared to her sister’s “regular” job, but in March this year (2008) she was complaining that the payment in March would be a week later and that caused problems for her to pay her bills.

Singing Lass has a profile up on Kasamba where she uses the name PsychicMagicSong. She charges $9.99 per minute and claims to be an expert in “Soulmate Connections”. She further says:

“I can provide readings on most any topic, however my personal favorite and strong area is with relationship issues. As a very strong empath/ borderline telepath I am able to look into people and discover who they are, and how they feel and see–and why.”

Wow! Why would she then need to use sockpuppets on kimkins if she can “read” the members directly? No need for any disguise.

She continues:
“I can do readings on future circumstances–as well as present and past. I also can provide timelines for when things should happen. I estimate length of time much like judging the length of a piece of ribbon..I go from the present point and feel outwards along the “thread” to when the event will occur.”

So can we get an accurate prediction for when Kimkins.com will close?

And lastly:
“Free will means that our lives are based off of the choices we make…and yes, impacted by the choices and actions of others as well.”

Singing Lass might want to consider where her “free will” is presently leading her.

ETA: Thanks to MrsM for the LittleSina tip! (see comment on my earlier post)

Delaney has refused to leave Kimkins despite being encouraged to do so repeatedly by LCF posters and even her former “friend” and co-conspirator Tippy Toes.

Delaney doesn’t seem to realize the trouble she is facing. By continuing to support a fraud, she may be liable for legal repercussions. Despite this, she is a staunch supporter of Kimmer and Kimkins and has appeared on national TV twice to support the Kimkins Diet.

The class action lawyer, Tiedt, plans to depose Singing Lass and any other Kimkins admins (even though I think the sock puppet Gary may be excused). If Delaney has not contacted a lawyer on her own by now, I suggest she probably should.

WHAT IS A DEPOSITION?

A deposition is one of the methods that lawyers can use to find out information to help prepare a case for trial. Normally, a deposition can be taken of anyone who may have relevant information about the facts of the case.

The person who is deposed is called the deponent. At your deposition, you are able to have your attorney present. Normally, the other lawyer is also present as is the opposing party. In the room also is a court reporter who will take notes and make sure that the deposition is properly recorded. The deposition can be recorded by tape, typed up with a special transcriber machine, and/or placed on videotape. You will be placed under oath and the attorney for the other side can ask you questions about your case. Your attorney will be able to object to the questions asked, if appropriate. After the deposition is completed, either side can ask that it be typed up (transcribed.)

The most important thing you can do at your deposition is to tell the truth. You are initially placed under oath and you have sworn to tell the “truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.”

Singing Lass might want to listen to Tippy Toes:

“You may not realize it, but the deposition is evidence that may be used against you in not only this lawsuit but any other(s) which may follow. You must tell the truth, of course. Claiming you barely talk to Heidi as you have done here may come back to haunt you later. You should be aware that your computer may be siezed as evidence. If you are caught lying on the depo in contrast to what will be found on your computer (deleted or not–it’s all still there and will surface) you may be held accountable for the Kimkins scam.”

Edited to add:
Grilled Cheese with Pickles has a message for Singing Lass: Smarten Up!

But then Tippy has been wrong before. She had “proof” that Melly was Ducky. She had “proof” that the Banta Babes were out to “get her”:

In a PM September 20th (my first blog post was Sept. 22 so that’s not what she refers to as the “link”):
I also see some of the Banta are out to get me. Have no idea to this day what went wrong. Nor why they insist on inserting the knife into my back as deeply as it will go. I know who is behind the major slamming and it does link back to them. All I ever wanted was to see them all get to goal too. They seemed to want that at the time. So what–because the couldn’t do it I am bad? Please.

What is Paranoid Personality Disorder?
Paranoid personality disorder is characterized by a distrust of others and a constant suspicion that people around you have sinister motives. People with this disorder tend to have excessive trust in their own knowledge and abilities and usually avoid close relationships. They search for hidden meanings in everything and read hostile intentions into the actions of others. They are quick to challenge the loyalties of friends and loved ones and often appear cold and distant. They usually shift blame to other people and tend to carry long grudges.

Symptoms of Paranoid Personality Disorder:
* Unwillingness to forgive perceived insults
* Excessive sensitivity to setbacks
* Distrustfulness and excessive self-reliance
* Projection of blame onto others
* Consumed by anticipation of betrayal
* Combative and tenacious adherence to personal rights
* Relentlessly suspicious

For who Ducky really is, see this post by Medusa: Just Ducky….

In a message dated 11/28/2007 6:32:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, baitingerjeannie@yahoo.com writes:

Hi Delany. Sadly, I have made the decision to leave Kimkins. I do not want to be called in for deposition as you know. So I am out. Makes me sad but I have to protect myself.
How are you doing? Did you see the pics of her house??? I can’t open them cause even using the cloak the pics know I am banned. I’ll get someone to send them.
I admit I was stunned she had 1.6 million in cash. I am also stunned she paid cash for both cars when she was telling me she can’t make the car payment. Really, that lie was the deal breaker for me to stick myself in the noose for her. She had a chance to come clean and we both helped her make a fresh start. So why? Why lie to us? Is this just habitual? I just can’t say…
What will you do now? And I see Gary is MIA too.

To promote a nutritionally deficient diet to members and to defraud people of money by banning them didn’t bother Tippy at all. She is only thinking about herself.

Tippy: Why don’t you go over to and read the stories on Kimkins Survivors. I assure you that they are not “fictional charactors”. These are REAL people that were HURT by Kimmer and by YOU.

In a post by Prudentia, it was suggested that John was “a person who was simply trying to lend aid to the cause of taking down Kimkins and Heidi Diaz in the only way they knew how. This person feared detection and so they attempted to communicate in a cryptic and at times a seemingly nonsensical fashion.”

While Prudentia’s post apparently resulted in establishing a communication with John Essex, I’m still at a loss to figure out what the purpose of it all was. Especially the posts on LCF. As they were deleted from there, I have recreated them here in my blog. My hope is that a Duck smarter than I may provide some insight to what they may mean.

You may also want to review the posts on Prudentia that followed her discussion with John:
May Martina’s Martini Rest in Peace
Double-Minded…
Was I Duped?
Hello, Martina’s Martini. We Meet Again.
What Happened to Honor Anyway

Don’t miss the comments to Yucky’s post:
po sledam Martina’s Martini

And, there is bound to be updates on Medusa’s new post:
NEWS FLASH!!! MARTINA’S MARTINI REVEALED…

John’s LCF posts follow. Why would a person that has not met his ex-wife, the principal in the lawsuit, for over nine years dedicate so much time to research Kimkins and the Ducks? He seems to have intimate knowledge, not only of recent events, but has also looked into the history (mentioning Tippy Toes for example).

And, why is it that every time the Magic Chicken Diet is being discussed on LCF, trolls appear?

Martina’s Martini
Junior LCF Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 11 (that remains after the thread was scrubbed)

02-11-2008, 01:49 PM
Kimmer did JFK

Did you guys also know that Kimmer was on the Grassy Knoll too???/ Geeze, sweet Geezers…MM

02-11-2008, 01:55 PM
I lost 650 lbs on the magic chicken diet.

Did you know, one time…at BANNED Camp, I met a bunch of chicks livin in Los Angels that starred in a movie with Jimmy Snores, and they did a movie where they were eating La Vida Carb Chocolate Bars and……uh….. They were Medusas, and Marisols, and Youtbes of a fat Kimmer,, and uh….Some chick in Texas was…uh…..Geeze, FOR THE LOVE GOD PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!…..MM

02-11-2008, 01:58 PM
Oh Forgot the DUCKS,

Quack you people….Quack……
Dosent ANYONE honestly understand….THIS MATTER IS IN A COURT OF LAW IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!. Let the LAW deal with the whole situation..

LIFE…IS TOO SHORT FOR EVERYONE TO BECOME CONSUMED WITH THIS DAMN ISSUE!

02-11-2008, 02:07 PM
No…..BECAUSE

Nope, Been watching this subject for months. Now mind you, they are things in this world that makes ya go…hmmm.. just like Mayberry friend has said, but cmon seriously. Life really is to short. I have seen how this has passionately enraged everyone. America, has had its history of scam artists, fakers, wackos, you name it. But one thing is for sure, the dedicated people of these numerous blogs have done their work. They are P.I.s and lawyers doing investigations, It seems like ALL of the low-carb communities have thought of this matter. Sometime everyone, ya gotta just let it go.
MM
besides that, happiness, is the total revenge on someone that has done ya wrong.

02-11-2008, 02:09 PM
Yeah Lisa, I don’t spell very good either

It doesnt take a biochemist to change the world either.

Bill Gates, didnt give a damn about bio-chem in college
mm

02-11-2008, 02:10 PM
Your Very Cute though Lisa,

Smart and Cute

02-11-2008, 02:18 PM
Thats EXACTLY WHAT I mean

Look, lots of things are, and have been happining behind all the scenes of this situation.

For those who DO, believe in Kharma, and God, do ya think this Kimmer person, will EVER be happy with herself.
Besides, EVERYONE who has had an effort in bringing this chick, and the site to Justice, to the courts. EVERYONE has had a hand in doing the right thing, and sending people to a healthier lifestyle. PEOPLE… don’t forget the insanities. Since this began, it can be safely said, that by the pay it forward posts….THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE…Dieting will do it safely now.

If you have not began to steer the younger folks of the Nation away, then that should be a bigger focal point of efforts.

Yes, it is like trying to stop a wildfire, but these posts keep going more and more,,, and it drives people emotionally,,, which is not healthy,,,Psychologically.
MM

02-11-2008, 02:24 PM
Troll??? actually Im a GORGOUS LESBIAN!

Ugh, now cmon Kat In Sac, you know they are lots and lots opf things going on behind the scenes
MM

02-11-2008, 02:34 PM
A Sad Post sufferer from the Kimkins Situation.

Yeah that bout seems to be all their is about it. Innocent Bystander who for all its efforts, still seem to be a distant observer. When this matter does get resolved,,, maybe,, just maybe I’ll reveal some sad but true…well truths. Yeah, I started drinkin again over again because of this. I found out about these situations, totally by accident, but in the postscripts of all that I have seen, It has deffinately not only stirred up my emotions. Dont take it the wrong way people. This diet, is dangerous, but they are more, and more, that know one really knows the cost of.

I am proud though, for the people involved taking a stand. That is how America was born. On a sunny spring day in 1776, a small band of people wanting to make a stand, changed the world. This has been proof that America still lives.

The subject matter though really is far from over. The parties and the lines have been drawn. We can only hope for a conclusion one day. They are life after a Kimkins diet…. A kimkins Lawsuit. In the mix is a secret of the existance of something. It is a life eternal that people need to understand, no matter their size.

I will continue to watch, learn, evaluate, and from time to time giggle.

I have never been on a diet in my life before, but this whole situation people, a chicken has come home to root from my life history, and I’d like to know what drove it. So, yeah I’ll keep my mouth shut for now, but guys, You have done good work, AND PEOPLE… have LISTENED.
MM

02-11-2008, 02:40 PM
MJR OMG

WOW, didn’t think I was gonna be a lightning Rod this fast….WOW,
See, that’s a giggle on this end for me so far today.
MM

02-11-2008, 02:46 PM
Yes TERRY You are right,

Naw Terry,
They aint no secret codes. And yeah,,, EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE here that have wrote about the blogs and posts so intelligently about it HAS DONE good work. I think a few months ago when the gal from USC was doing research on this matter. I THINK SHE GOT TOTALLY OVERWHELMED over this whole matter, becasue, yeah Like I said before, THIS IS WHAT MAKES AMERICA POWERFUL, well that and Ronald Reagan, but…cmon now. Sometimetimes this matter,, has so enraged people…..

Anger, is not good. A hert in your heart isn’t good.

SOmetimes,,, Everyone, step back from that anger moment on some of these issues. Justice is coming, slow but sure, in the meantime,
TERRY……

LOTS OF GREAT PEOPLE IVE MET AND SPOKEN TO……..Great People….that have done GREAT WORK……..

I like all people, I just dont wanna see them totally enthrualled.

MM

02-11-2008, 02:50 PM
On your blog

On your blog you were quoting a “troll” that was stopping by.LOL\

Good blog btw,
MM

02-11-2008, 02:51 PM
And another thing,

I do like cheese snadwiches with Pickles……
MM

02-11-2008, 02:56 PM
UH,,,,,,,,Yeah thats Right.

And at my favorite bar, is my favorite drink called…A MARTINA’S MARTINI… So yeap,, you guessed it…….

And naw,, not a “TROLL” as everyone says…. I have justa been readin,,, puttin two and two together,, going.. HOLY COW……..or well.. Holy DUCKS!!!!..

One of the thing that is so interesting bout all this is the collection of people. VERY VERY GOOD WRITING….

and well,, yeah I do feel bad about the situation with the diet thing, because, at one time, I had a friend named Karen, that died because of her diet, she did die of anerexia.
MM

02-11-2008, 03:06 PM
AND THAT… IS WHAT MAKES “YOU” A GREAT AMERICAN!!!!!!!!

Well yeah, Kat In SAC,

But can I ask ya a question though… This “CHICKEN LADY” or whatever with the very same,, sorta web design…..What if she is Kimmer?????

Listen, KIMMMER,, got a hell of alot of money. In that one boost.. that one boost from sales from the almost free ad… this broad made 1.6 million or something like that. Ya got chicks like singinlass or what ever the hell her name is still going ra ra ra for her..etc etc….

What about the..”OTHER S#*@&%$@ BAGS” of the world,, that copy the same type scam over and o ver again. Can John Stop ALL OF THEM???????

Look, PT BARNUM,,,, the guy was the model of scam…false this false that…But he sprang a crap of PT Barnum wanna be’s……

I forgot who said it… but cmon,, wildfires are HARD to put out….Has anyone,, and I mean anyone,, got to the very core of whiping out ANY DIET SCAMMING people….

For all I’ve read, honestly,, they are a scemmin La Vida guy out there,, doing his dammdest to pick up the old customers of Kimkins…..

Kimkins,, is just the start of it……..they are many many layers to this onion,, because they are a buck to be made.
MM

02-11-2008, 03:15 PM
Who the hell is Hulon?????

Yeah I know people, Your thinkin the Chicken lady is Kimmer again, if that is true, then have John tear into them. Just don’t change the duck thing becasue, well that is too damn cute.
MM
PS…Who the hell is Hulon???

02-11-2008, 03:19 PM
And Yeah other Terry,I’m a real Person

Yeah Other Terry Im a real person, and yeah, been impacted by this whole Kimkins thing. Just not gonna let no one know bout it. Not a litigant, could care less whther the dumb mentaly ill broad goes strait to jail. Just, ya know,, like I said, Everyone……..Do NOT let this turn to an anger issue,,, to your hearts….To many blogs I been readin bout people feeling guilty over leading people to Kimkins,,,, etc etc……

I say.. attack the scammer, and educate the young.
they are alternatives to fighting……….

If one email leads to another email,,, to another,, that is the way to do it.

One thing does lead to another……..

Does anyone have yahoo groups set up for anti kimkins?????/

MM

02-11-2008, 03:22 PM
Naw,, too many blogs to skim over.

Quote:

Naw,, didnt know, I kinda got put off with info bout this chicken broad livin in Riversaid.
MM

02-11-2008, 03:23 PM
Sorry, Gin kickin in

Thats riversIDE I mean
MM

02-11-2008, 03:26 PM
Wellyeah,, that and MayberryFan

Is that Daughtry you got for an Avitar thingy???

02-11-2008, 03:37 PM
Did someone pass Gas???

What,,, a faux pau in passing?????
MM

02-11-2008, 03:43 PM
OKAY…seriously,

Alright.. So YOU ALL know,, that I’ve been in the KNOW… but what the hell has happened to this TIPPY TOE broad that was the PR person, the one that was on the MJ show…

Is she still in cahoots or has she formed this campcarb away???/

Just curious… Daughtry rocks!

02-11-2008, 03:54 PM
Naw… waitin for her butt to be named as a defendant

Naw,,, honestly,, just wondering what the hell happened to her.
MM

02-11-2008, 03:55 PM
KAT IN SAC!!!!!!!!

Yes,, I am a newbie… and YEP… your still one of the TRUE AMERICANS…..like I said earlier.
MM

02-11-2008, 03:57 PM
Yeah I like that post too.. See,,, another giggle for me/

Well yeah.. I’m sure by now your czechin my name against the russian war bride sites of 1945…LOLOL
MM

02-11-2008, 03:58 PM
Oh,, I also forgot……

I’m a male Lesbian
MM

02-11-2008, 03:59 PM
OOOPS……..

IS IT TOO LATE TO TAKE THAT BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MM

02-11-2008, 04:10 PM
Well, got everyone thinkin….

Ok all, I am a going. Just, ya know. Anger in your heart is bad….bad…MMMMMOKAY…….so, just let the issues get to justice. God is out to protect all of us people in the only way possible.

This matter and situation has affect a great many people in the world, in more ways that can be described.

In politics, we have a shaky economy, in the world dinamic we have the occupations of Iraq and Afganistan with no end in sight. The computer world just gets more and more powerful.
They are flowers out there in this world people.

TAKE TIME TO SIT AND THINK OF THE GOOD THING IN LIFE….
and stop and smell some roses.

I promise I will drop by from time to time.
No.. not someone who is making light……

Heidi, is perhaps the biggest damn lyer in the world. But certain truths of realities have hit home for me.

Keep up the good fight, smile, relax, and be good to one another.
MM

The “private reason” given on Kimkins’ admin board, as sent to the AG, was a copy of a post on ALC that was made more than 4 weeks after I was banned.

I was banned on September 27th, and the post copied from ALC is dated October 22nd.

The Kimkins letter to the AG further states that “She still retains full usage of the Kimkins weight loss program including the diet, diet variations, food list, grocery shopping lists, recipe library, BMI calculator, calorie calculator and other diet aids. “. This is a lie. When trying to log in at Kimkins, I get a message that says:

And Tippy, you have always claimed that you had nothing to do with my banning. How come the “private reason” on Kimkins is a post about you that I copied to ALC from LCF? And what about the reference “per Jeannie”?

Tippy has still not publicly denounced the Kimkins Diet, and has not apologized for her role as a PR person and admin at Kimkins. Perhaps she is still of the same opinion she voiced when she tried to sign up at Amy’s Eating Low forum that Medusa reported on:

“I suppose I am expected to make some sort of apology but really I am not sure what I am supposed to say.”

In a statement by Tippy made on Mayberryfan’s blog the other day she says:

“I feel extremely guilty for what I said to Christin and Deni on TV. Not that it makes it right but I was scripted by Heidi as to what to say to them.”

Is this an apology? Blaming Kimmer? Didn’t you say this on National TV? Even worse, if you didn’t agree with it, you lied. Was the money worth it?

And then Tippy goes on to say that she didn’t believe anything that Christin, Deni and Becky said until AmyB complained about the same problems:

“I do think back about Kimkins members complaining of being so cold all the time and I wonder now if their thyroids were screaming out to stop. But at the time I was cold losing weight too and thought it was just the way it was. I didn’t believe what was being said about hair loss as I have mine BUT when AmyB started complaining I began to question her privatly. It was Amy who made me see the truth. And the truth is there are some serious side effects to Kimkins. I thought it was from doing the plan behind the plan, and that may well be but upon further digging I now see the plan behind the plan was THE plan for a long time as preached by “Kimmer”. I apologize to those whom I didn’t believe. Kimmer assured me it wasn’t true, the Ducks were making these things up, and well, since I didn’t suffer hair loss, I believed her–until I heard it from AmyB.”

We did see the rant on LCF about the “Ducks” all being created by Catherine, the former business partner. What I can not understand is why it was easier to believe Kimmer, at the time a confirmed liar, than the former admins, Cutie, Kiki and all the people on LCF that you have known for years. Were we all liars, being orchestrated by Catherine? Was it the money that made Kimmer more believable than the rest of us?

With regards to Kimmer’s sockpuppets on Kimkins, Tippy says:

“She asked me to take over for “Danielle” in the Bootcamp forum as “Danielle” was away. She later causually mentioned she was Danielle, as if I had know it all along.”

Kimmer probably thought it was so obvious that “Danielle” was a sockpuppet so she couldn’t believe you didn’t know. The rest of us don’t have much problem identifying sockpuppets over there. So what happened when you found out? Did you leave Kimkins? Demand that she stop using sockpuppets?

In an additional comment, Tippy says that the Ducks are “making fun of, bashing and exploiting posts of Campers”. Where are these posts? I haven’t seen them. (Well, with the exception of the huggiessssssss Fawn).

If Tippy refers to the post I made about maintenance, I actually thought she would be flattered to be mentioned together with Christin and Deni. I was mistaken. Tippy did not want to blame Kimkins for her problems to find a maintenance plan.

I especially love how Tippy talks about the Ducks. Still referring to us as if another species, she is now saying:

“I am starting to understand Ducks are not bad people.”

Starting to understand? Bad people? So the hundreds of people posting on LCF with the combined goal of removing kimkins.com from the internet and bring Heidi to justice were considered bad people?

And as a reason for not speaking out Tippy claims:

“I have been silenced due to a bann from LCF. And I got banned from Eating Low too, as you may recall. I tried the blog but I was bombed with so much meanness and I found myself reacting very unkindly as a result. I can’t allow myself to become that so I pulled the blog down and decided to just stay within Camp.”

While I agree that the blog attempt didn’t work out well, I would suggest you try it again. I, for one, really want to hear what you have to say. Not having access to the Camp, I can not see what you are saying there, unless it gets reported to me. Perhaps not accepting comments on your blog would allow you peace to write down what you want to say.

Do Kimkins members really believe that Kimmer intend to be there?

The court hearing for the Class Action Lawsuit is scheduled for July 15th! Is she planning to go to Vegas to drown her sorrows? I’m sure she will not have anything to celebrate.

And remember that this is a woman that is “shy” and suffers from agoraphobia. While we know that that isn’t true, we do know what she said when discussing the previously planned Kimkins cruise:
“What a “relaxing” 5 days that would be. Staring, photos, whispering and full blog exposes when I return … not to mention sitting across the table from Jimmy. And don’t forget the stalkers. I never considered the cruise as a personal safety issue before.”

Or, when the cruise organizer, Regandy, left Kimkins, remember how Typo Toes explained why a cruise wouldn’t be a good idea:
“We have decided that a cruise would present a safety hazzard for Kimkins members as well as staff. However, rest assured we have some new gathering ideas in the works for next year. What we have in mind will be better and will geer more in tuned with Kimkins diets than an all you can eat fest cruise. I have cruised many times and it is not possible in my opinion to not gain some weight. So we are making positive changes in this area as well.”

I don’t see that the Vegas buffets would “geer more in tuned with Kimkins diets” than a cruise would, but of course, Tripsy is no longer at Kimkins. Her camping idea left to The Camp with Tippy herself. The cruise did take place, but not as a Kimkins event and no Kimkins admins were present.

Kimmer is chatting away on Kimkins as if she really intends to go to Las Vegas. She is discussing how to find good airfares and hotel rates. Just two days ago, she cautioned:

“Is everyone checking into flights & hotels? Booking ahead may get you a price bargain (or not risk the hotel you want being sold out during the popular summer Vegas season).”

This woman is truly evil. Kimmer is well aware that there most likely will not be a Kimkins in July 2008 and she has no intention of meeting up with any Kimkins members. You can not photoshop a real life appearance.

Why would she even suggest members spend money on buying airline tickets and paying for hotels? If you book a hotel package deal, you pay up front. Airline tickets are always paid in full at the time of booking. Kimmer must take pleasure in hurting people, physically and financially. I just hope that anybody that books this trip finds a way to enjoy themselves on their own. Don’t expect Kimmer to be there. (Actually, if it were me, I would much prefer Kimmer not being there.)

Heidi Diaz, aka Kimmer of Kimkins, is causing a lot of turbulence in the online lowcarb community. Is Kimmer a troll herself? For sure she has appeared as a troll under different names on LCF on numerous occasions. Even on Kimkins, as we well remember Wonderwoman and Melt’s rants.

Wikipedia:
Trolling is a game about identity deception, albeit one that is played without the consent of most of the players. The troll attempts to pass as a legitimate participant, sharing the group’s common interests and concerns; the newsgroups members, if they are cognizant of trolls and other identity deceptions, attempt to both distinguish real from trolling postings, and upon judging a poster a troll, make the offending poster leave the group. Their success at the former depends on how well they — and the troll — understand identity cues; their success at the latter depends on whether the troll’s enjoyment is sufficiently diminished or outweighed by the costs imposed by the group.

The Ducks on the Fascination with Kimmer thread are repeatedly accused of being unwelcoming to newbies and labeling any not previously known person as a troll. Prudentia calls it Friendly Fire.

So why would the Ducks react this way? It is all Heidi’s doing! Kimmer is to blame!

MissMerize said:
I have come across other people getting scammed on the web, but the difference was that it was just a financial scamming. When a thing affects your physical and mental health I think it is in a whole other category. Heidi came in like an odorless poisonous gas. She used pictures and words to describe herself as a breath of fresh air. It wasn’t until we all inhaled it for a while that we got sick. We were lured into a false sense of security. We appeared to be getting healthier at first and that led us to inhale more and more of the noxious fumes. Fumes like these can change the brain chemistry.

Most of us that have been touched by Kimmer’s scam, whether we did the Kimkins Diet or not, have gotten a rude awakening with regards to trusting internet posters on bulletin boards. It was so easy for Kimmer to convince us that she was who she pretended to be. Hardly anybody questioned her as a person, or questioned her success as a dieter during the 6 years she posted on LCF. Why would we? There didn’t seem to be any reason for her to be dishonest. Now, we know better. Heidi is a Lying Liar that Lies.

Wikipedia:
A troll can disrupt the discussion on a newsgroup, disseminate bad advice, and damage the feeling of trust in the newsgroup community. Furthermore, in a group that has become sensitized to trolling — where the rate of deception is high — many honestly naïve questions may be quickly rejected as trollings. This can be quite off-putting to the new user who upon venturing a first posting is immediately bombarded with angry accusations.

Is it strange then that the hackles come up when a new poster appears on the scene? Especially if this poster has an opposing opinion or is using confusing language? How would we know that it’s not a troll? While the common advice is “do not feed the troll” I personally think this is necessary in order to find out if it’s a troll or not.

And one final quote from Wikipedia:
Godwin’s Law: “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.”

Hmm. Didn’t Tippy Toes refer to the Ducks as “terrorists”?